tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8448958049455077216.post3025155005163773643..comments2024-01-18T10:33:05.391-06:00Comments on The Voice: The Conundrum of PietyAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15922652724607532192noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8448958049455077216.post-41814360244979523772011-07-28T00:37:30.590-06:002011-07-28T00:37:30.590-06:00@Clint: Right. You know misrepresenting yourself i...@Clint: Right. You know misrepresenting yourself in order to gain money is just a hop, skip and a jump away from a real crime, don't you? I'd say I'm going easy.<br /><br />@Nic: Ever read B.B. Warfield's work on 'Miserable-Sinner Christianity'? I highly commend it to your reading list.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15922652724607532192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8448958049455077216.post-41625054763413566772011-07-27T20:29:55.870-06:002011-07-27T20:29:55.870-06:00Lying? Judgments are easy, listening and understan...Lying? Judgments are easy, listening and understanding are difficult. Easy on the judgements you know nothing about my friend. Peace out.Clint DeMarcenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8448958049455077216.post-54369972625492512202011-07-27T19:23:18.958-06:002011-07-27T19:23:18.958-06:00"We all have biases, and we all choose author...<i>"We all have biases, and we all choose authors, experts, and theologians who confirm our biases."</i><br /><br />That's a cheap point to make (of course, if you're including yourself here...). Of course we all have biases. But some are better than others, and until now you've never been forward enough to just come out and admit what yours are, or give specifics, or make a case for why your bias should be the preferred one. Like you've said, even the experts disagree with each other, some like Carson and Waltke -leading experts in their fields- holding that inerrancy does in fact hold under pressure from those who assert otherwise.<br /><br />If our starting point is that the Bible errs, we will always work to great lengths (usually special pleading and grasping at straws) to confirm our biases... people do it all the time to perpetuate falsehoods such as holocaust denial, various nonsensical takes on the supposed historical Jesus, or the documentary hypothesis.<br /><br />P.S. You worked as a pastor for a church that held inerrancy as one of its core beliefs, at least on a denominational level. How long after you realized that you didn't hold to that belief did you continue to allow them to ante up for your paycheck? I think that's the thing that bothers me most - the lying. Plenty of Christian friends believe what you do about the Bible, but then, none of them have tried to disguise that conviction in order to collect a salary from a faith community.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15922652724607532192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8448958049455077216.post-22689022710436103902011-07-27T19:22:33.578-06:002011-07-27T19:22:33.578-06:00That's great. I am happy for you that you have...That's great. I am happy for you that you have studied so much. There are people who have studied textual criticism much longer than you, and they disagree with you and each other. All interpretation is subjective. We all have biases, and we all choose authors, experts, theologians who confirm our biases.<br /><br />If our starting point is inerrancy, we will always work to great lengths (usually special pleading and grasping at straws to confirm our biases). I have done it many times and am ever more wary of the human tendency to do it. People do it all the time do perpetuate falsehoods such as young earth creationism and holocaust denial.Clint DeMarcenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8448958049455077216.post-15086487048404142032011-07-27T19:21:25.354-06:002011-07-27T19:21:25.354-06:00@Clint: It's not incontrovertible. Every suppo...@Clint: It's not incontrovertible. Every supposed contradiction that I've ever thought I've seen has been the result of bad interpretation or of not reading closely enough - the fruits of exegetical laziness. You took one class in seminary on textual criticism; I've been studying it since before highschool graduation. Go read Carson or Waltke on the subject, for a different perspective. Or even older authors like Benjamin Warfield and Franz Delitzsch.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15922652724607532192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8448958049455077216.post-6557972994298554012011-07-27T17:22:37.787-06:002011-07-27T17:22:37.787-06:00Never said it was 'full' of 'hopeless&...Never said it was 'full' of 'hopeless' contradictions. Fact: There are numerous contradictions, additions, and changes though. That is incrontravertable. We all must personally decide what to do with that. My transition is glorious. Congrats on the marriage. Peace be with you my son.Clint DeMarcenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8448958049455077216.post-2934466258177053462011-07-27T17:21:57.098-06:002011-07-27T17:21:57.098-06:00@Clint: Hope you're having a good time transit...@Clint: Hope you're having a good time transitioning into your role as an ex-pastor. Last time I talked to you, you were too busy talking how hopeless and full of contradictions the Bible is.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15922652724607532192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8448958049455077216.post-53834675557340472262011-07-27T17:20:09.407-06:002011-07-27T17:20:09.407-06:00'Though we may be "born again", we n...<i>'Though we may be "born again", we need to get over ourselves. You and I are still wicked on a fundamental, natural level.'</i><br /><br />Speak for yourself.Clint DeMarcenoreply@blogger.com